Thursday, July 30, 2009

Why does the apostle Paul claim women have inferior judgment?

(1 Tim 2:9-12 NRSV) also that the women should dress themselves modestly and decently in suitable clothing, not with their hair braided, or with gold, pearls, or expensive clothes, 閳?



Let a woman learn in silence with full submission.



I permit no woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she is to keep silent.



(1 Tim 2:13-14 NRSV) For Adam was formed first, then Eve; and Adam was *not deceived*, but the woman *was deceived* and became a transgressor.



So Eve was deceived, therefore the judgments of all descendent women are inferior according to the Apostle Paul.



ANOTHER EXAMPLE FROM THE BIBLE THAT WOMEN ARE SECOND RATE



Why does the apostle Paul claim women have inferior judgment?

Because the Bible was written by men who weren't getting laid. Obviously...



Why does the apostle Paul claim women have inferior judgment?

The Bible is the inspired Word of God........therefore, these are not Paul's words.......



They are God's.



Who are we to question the Lord?



Why does the apostle Paul claim women have inferior judgment?

Probably because it was the truth. But that's just my personal observation.



Why does the apostle Paul claim women have inferior judgment?

Because he was a barking mad, intolerant, misogynistic fanatic.



Why does the apostle Paul claim women have inferior judgment?

That was way before women could vote!



Why does the apostle Paul claim women have inferior judgment?

I would answer this question but I'm afraid a lightening might strike me for voicing my opinion.



Why does the apostle Paul claim women have inferior judgment?

Mainly because Paul was a misogynist homophobic a$$hole who had a stroke. I mean conversion.



Why does the apostle Paul claim women have inferior judgment?

You are using the wrong user name, Don Novello made up the character Fr. Guido and he is a guy who really loves women and would never be so insulting.



Why does the apostle Paul claim women have inferior judgment?

Yes, Eve was deceived and ate the fruit of knowledge (although how she could be held accountable for doing something "evil" before she had the knowledge of good and evil has always seemed a bit off to me)--but Adam could still have said no.



He just couldn't bear the thought that a woman might be smarter than him; so he had to eat it, too and then blame her for the rest of time for the consequences.



Wah.



Why does the apostle Paul claim women have inferior judgment?

He's talking about Hillary Clinton



Why does the apostle Paul claim women have inferior judgment?

Gotcha Again, and again,,wrong Context%26gt;



(9-10) Women should emphasize spiritual preparation and beauty more than physical preparation and beauty.



In like manner also, that the women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with propriety and moderation, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or costly clothing, but, which is proper for women professing godliness, with good works.



a. In like manner also: The word also refers back to the statement that the men pray everywhere in 1 Timothy 2:8. Paul thought the principle of 1 Timothy 2:8 should apply in various congregations, and so should the principle in 1 Timothy 2:9.



b. That the women adorn themselves in modest apparel: This is how Christian women are supposed to dress, especially at their Christian meetings. The words propriety and moderation help explain what modest apparel is.



i. Propriety asks, 閳ユ窔s it appropriate for the occasion? Is it over-dressed or under-dressed? Is it going to call inappropriate attention to myself?閳?Moderation asks, 閳ユ窔s it moderate? Is it just too much 閳?or far too little?閳?Moderation looks for a middle ground.



ii. The braided hair or gold or pearls or costly clothing Paul mentions were adornments that went against the principles of propriety and moderation in that culture.



iii. How you dress reflects your heart. If a man dresses in a casual manner, it says something about his attitude. Likewise, if a woman dresses in an immodest manner, it says something about her heart.



iv. 閳ユ凡oman has been invidiously defined: An animal fond of dress. How long will they permit themselves to be thus degraded?閳?(Clarke)



c. But . . . with good works: The most important adornment is good works. If a woman is dressed in propriety and moderation, with good works, she is perfectly dressed. Good works make a woman more beautiful than good jewelry.



3. (11-12) Women are to show submission, and yield to the authority of the men God has appointed to lead in the church.



Let a woman learn in silence with all submission. And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence.



a. Let a woman learn in silence: This unfortunate translation has led some to believe that it is forbidden for women to even speak in church meetings. Paul uses the same word translated silence in 1 Timothy 2:2, and it is translated peaceable there. The idea is without contention instead of total silence.



i. In other places in the New Testament, even in the writings of Paul, women are specifically mentioned as praying and speaking in the church (1 Corinthians 11:5). To learn in silence has the idea of women receiving the teaching of the men God has chosen to lead in the church, with submission instead of contention.



ii. Submission is the principle; to learn in silence describes the application of the principle.



iii. Some have said the reason for this is because in these ancient cultures (as well as some present-day cultures), men and women sat in separate sections. The thought is that women interrupted the church service by shouting questions and comments to their husbands during the service. Clarke expresses this idea: 閳ユ窔t was lawful for men in public assemblies to ask questions, or even interrupt the speaker when there was any matter in his speech which they did not understand; but this liberty was not granted to women.閳?br>



b. With all submission: The word for submission here literally means, 閳ユ翻o be under in rank.閳?It has to do with respecting an acknowledged order of authority. It certainly does not mean that men are more spiritual than women or that women are inferior to men.



i. 閳ユ穾nyone who has served in the armed forces knows that 閳ユΜank閳?has to do with order and authority, not with value or ability. . . . Just as an army would be in confusion if there were no levels of authority, so society would be in chaos without submission.閳?(Wiersbe)



c. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man: Paul閳ユ獨 meaning seems clear. Women are not to have the role of teaching authority in the church. To be under authority is the principle; not teaching is the application.



i. Paul is saying that the church should not recognize women as those having authority in the church regarding matters of doctrine and Scriptural interpretation.



ii. Not all speaking or teaching by a woman is necessarily a violation of God閳ユ獨 order of authority in the church. Whatever speaking or teaching is done by a woman must be done in submission to the men God has appointed to lead the church.



iii. 1 Corinthians 11:1-12 emphasizes the same principle. Women are to always act under authority in the congregation, demonstrated in Corinthian culture by the wearing of a head covering. Therefore a woman in the Corinthian church could only pray or prophesy if she demonstrated that she was under the leadership of the church, and she demonstrated this by wearing a head covering and by acting consistently with that principle.



d. I do not permit: The strength of Paul閳ユ獨 wording here makes it challenging to obey this command in today閳ユ獨 society. Since the 1970閳ユ獨, our culture has rejected the idea that there may be different roles for men and women in the home, in the professional world, or in the church. In this text (among others), the Holy Spirit clearly says there is a difference in roles.



i. But the cultural challenge must be seen in its true context - not just a struggle between men and women, but as a struggle with the issue of authority in general. Since the 1960閳ユ獨, there has been a massive change in the way we see and accept authority.



Citizens do not have the same respect for government閳ユ獨 authority.



Students do not have the same respect for teacher閳ユ獨 authority.



Women do not have the same respect for men閳ユ獨 authority.



Children do not have the same respect for parental authority.



Employees do not have the same respect for their employer閳ユ獨 authority.



People do not have the same respect for the police閳ユ獨 authority.



Christians no longer have the same respect for church authority.



ii. There are not many who would say that these changes have been good. Generally, people do not feel safer and there is less confidence in the culture. Television and other entertainment get worse and worse. In fact, our society is presently in, and rushing towards, complete anarchy - the state where no authority is accepted, and the only thing that matters is what one wants to do.



iii. It is fair to describe our present moral state as one of anarchy. There is no moral authority in our culture. When it comes to morality, the only thing that matters is what one wants to do. And in a civil sense, many neighborhoods in our nation are given over to anarchy. The government閳ユ獨 authority is not accepted in gang-infested portions of our cities. The only thing that matters is what one wants to do.



iv. We must see the broader attack on authority as a direct Satanic strategy to destroy our society and millions of individual lives. He is accomplishing this with two main attacks. First, the corruption of authority; second, the rejection of authority.



v. This idea of authority and submission to authority are so important to God that they are part of His very being. The First Person of the Holy Trinity is called the Father; the Second Person of the Holy Trinity is called the Son. Inherent in those titles is a relationship of authority and submission to authority. The Father exercises authority over the Son, and the Son submits to the Father閳ユ獨 authority - and this is in the very nature and being of God. Our failure to exercise Biblical authority, and our failure to submit to Biblical authority, isn閳ユ獩 just wrong and sad - it sins against the very nature of God. 1 Samuel 15:23 speaks to this same principle: For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft.



e. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man: Paul閳ユ獨 focus here is the public worship of the church. God has established a clear chain of authority in both the home and in the church, and in those spheres, God has ordained that men are the 閳ユ笁ead閳?- that is, that they have the place of authority and responsibility.



i. Our culture, having rejected the idea in a difference in role between men and women, now rejects the idea of any difference between men and women. The driving trends in our culture point towards men who are more like women, and women who are more like men. Styles, clothes, perfumes, and all the rest promote this thought.



ii. The Bible is just as specific that there is no general submission of women unto men commanded in society; only in the spheres of the home and in the church. God has not commanded in His word that men have exclusive authority in the areas of politics, business, education, and so on.



iii. It also does not mean that every woman in the church is under the authority of every man in the church. Instead it means that those who lead the church - pastors and ruling elders - must be men, and the women (and others) must respect their authority.



iv. The failure of men to lead in the home and in the church, and to lead in the way Jesus would lead, has been a chief cause of the rejection of male authority - and is inexcusable.



v. Some feel this recognition and submission to authority is an unbearable burden. They feel that it means, 閳ユ窔 have to say that I am inferior, that I am nothing, and I have to recognize this other person as being superior.閳?Yet inferiority or superiority has nothing to do with this. We remember the relationship between God the Father and God the Son - they are completely equal in their being, but have different roles when it comes to authority.



vi. Some may say that the church cannot work (or cannot work well) unless we go along with the times and put women into positions of spiritual and doctrinal authority in the church. From the standpoint of what works in our culture, they may be right. Yet from the standpoint of pleasing God by doing what He says in His word, they are wrong.



4. (13-14) Reasons for God閳ユ獨 recognition of male authority in the church.



For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression.



a. For Adam was formed first: The first reason for male authority in the church is order of creation. Adam (man) was created first, and given original authority on earth.



i. The first command God gave to the human race is found in Genesis 2:16-17: Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat; but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die. This command was not given to woman at all. At the time that command was given, Eve was not yet created from Adam.



ii. Therefore, Adam received his command and his authority from God, and Eve received her command and authority from Adam.



b. The woman being deceived: The second reason is the difference in the sin of Adam and Eve, as connected to their difference in authority.



i. Both Adam and Eve sinned in the Garden of Eden, and Eve clearly sinned first. Yet, the Bible never blames Eve for the fall of the human race, but always blames Adam (through one man sin entered the world, Romans 5:12). Adam is responsible because of there was a difference of authority. Adam had an authority Eve did not have; therefore he also had a responsibility Eve did not have. Adam failed in his responsibility in a far more significant way than Eve did.



ii. As well, Eve was deceived, and Adam was not deceived. Eve was tricked; but Adam sinned knew exactly what he was doing when he rebelled. This means that though Adam閳ユ獨 sin was worse, Eve閳ユ獨 ability to be more readily deceived made her more dangerous in a place of authority. 閳ユ窊ve閳ユ獨 reasoning faculty was at once overcome by the allegation of jealousy felt by God, an allegation plausible to a nature swayed by emotion rather than by reflection.閳?(White)



iii. Generally speaking, it may be observed that women seem to be more spiritually sensitive than men - but this can be true for good or evil.



iv. Adam . . . the woman: 閳ユ藩t. Paul says woman rather than Eve, emphasizing the sex rather than the individual, because he desires to give the incident its general application, especially in view of what follows.閳?(White)



v. Significantly, these reasons are not dependent upon culture. Those who say 閳ユ阀aul was a sexist man in a sexist culture,閳?and discount these words, are simply not reading what the Holy Spirit says in the sacred Scriptures here.



5. (15) Being a Christian woman in light of Eve閳ユ獨 curse.



Nevertheless she will be saved in childbearing if they continue in faith, love, and holiness, with self-control.



a. Nevertheless she will be saved in childbearing: Many people regard this as one of the most difficult passages in the whole Bible. On the surface, it could be taken to mean that if a woman continues in faith, love, and holiness, with self-control, that God will bless her with survival in childbirth 閳?which was no small promise in the ancient world.



i. Yet this interpretation leaves many difficult questions. Is this an absolute promise? What about godly women who have died in childbirth? What about sinful women who have survived childbirth? Doesn閳ユ獩 this seem like just a reward for good works, and not according to God閳ユ獨 grace and mercy?



b. Saved in childbearing if they continue in faith, love, and holiness, with self control: Some approach this passage saying saved refers to gaining eternal life. Yet this interpretation is even more difficult. Are women saved eternally by giving birth to children - but only if they continue with godly virtues? What about women who can閳ユ獩 have children? Are they denied salvation?



c. She will be saved in childbearing: Some say that Paul 閳ユ窏as mostly in mind that child-bearing, not public teaching, is the peculiar function of woman, with a glory and dignity all its own.閳?(Robinson) The idea is that one should let the men teach in church and let the women have the babies.



d. She will be saved in childbearing: A better way to approach this passage is based on the grammar in the original Greek language. In the original, it says she will be saved in the childbirth. This has the sense, 閳ユ窊ven though women were deceived, and fell into transgression starting with Eve, women can be saved by the Messiah - whom a woman brought into the world.閳?br>



i. Probably, the idea here is that even though the 閳ユ辅oman race閳?did something bad in the garden by being deceived and falling into transgression, the 閳ユ辅oman race閳?also did something far greater, in being used by God to bring the saving Messiah into the world.



ii. The summary is this: Don閳ユ獩 blame women for the fall of the human race; the Bible doesn閳ユ獩. Instead, thank women for bringing the Messiah to us.



e. Faith, love, and holiness, with self-control: Most of all, we should note these positives. They are all qualities God wants to be evident in women, and that women have effectively nurtured in their children through generations.



Why does the apostle Paul claim women have inferior judgment?

God set the rules up and man is in charge



it doesnt mean they are better.



Why does the apostle Paul claim women have inferior judgment?

It looks as though you believe you must have the perfect understanding of scripture. So I will not attempt to inform you. If you want to interpret scripture that way, you can. You are mistaken, but you can interpret it that way if it serves your purpose.



Why does the apostle Paul claim women have inferior judgment?

Try reading the gospel of Luke before making such a prejudicial statement like that. The problem with picking up the New Testament and rummaging around looking for 'modern flaws' is that you did not live in that time period.



Luke's gospel was written after Paul's letters and the take is completely different.



There is a story from India about blind men each touching an elephant, one the trunk, one the hide, and one the tail, their "image of the elephant was completely different from each other" though it was the same elephant.



When you blindly skip around in the Bible not looking for the complete Word of God but just look for "modern negative' or "PC" you will find it. Paul's' society was different from ours and we should take that into consideration when reading his letters..



Why does the apostle Paul claim women have inferior judgment?

Some believe Paul had some difficulties with some women Church members so he told them to shut up...oops...be quiet in his Church. Today, some non-profit Churches look poorly on women, especially women legally married to ordained male ministers.



Some ministers surround themselves exclusively with unmarried men only.



Why does the apostle Paul claim women have inferior judgment?

Funny thing about Paul. He sure put a lot of women in positions of some authority for a "misogynist". Prisca, Lydia, several others, including one he himself called an "Apostle".



Maybe you'd be better off actually reading Acts and Paul's Letters instead of taking some twit's word for what they say.



Why does the apostle Paul claim women have inferior judgment?

Paul was a closet homosexual who feared women and wanted to keep Jesus to himself. He didn't want to share Jesus with the women.



Why does the apostle Paul claim women have inferior judgment?

Yes, women are supposed to LEARN in silence. I agree with that. People should all learn in silence. Obviously, women disrupting services was a big problem back then, or else that wouldn't have been written.



As for the "I permit no women...to have authority over a man," that's a mistranslation. Go figure. The Greek word used actually meant "to usurp" not "to have."



Read Galatians 3:28 and 1 Corinthians 11:11-16.



Why does the apostle Paul claim women have inferior judgment?

Paul was in error. He was merely holding fast to the traditions of his era. He had quite an ego and everything he wrote isn't ordained by God or Jesus. Paul inserted many of his own opinions into the new doctrine he created in the Bible. Jesus believes that men and women are equal. He did not preach what Paul preached.



Why does the apostle Paul claim women have inferior judgment?

No. It's all allegory in both covenants: Galatians 4.



Jesus notably called his mom "woman", and twice;



And neither Jn 2:4 nor Jn 19:26 were a compliment.



Woman is allegory for church, bride, and "people". Eg:



Woman: dble "Amen amen" to blessed + cursed: Num 5.



People: dble "Amen, amen" to blessed + cursed: Neh 8.



Where no law, there no transgression: Rom 4:15



Woman, dec'd, was in transgression: 1Tim 2: 14



So the dec'd woman was in the law. Selah.



"There is no respect of persons with God".



Adam = "male and female": "them": Gen 5.



Forgive "them", for they know not.



As in "Adam" all die.



It's not about male vs female.



It's all about law vs grace.



It's now the age of grace.



The GRACE of our Lord Jesus Christ with you all. Amen.



Why does the apostle Paul claim women have inferior judgment?

Re: the part about women dressing modestly.



Apparently God never traveled to the Deep South USA, or any other areas of the globe where the temps and humidity hover near 100, where less clothing=better.



Why does the apostle Paul claim women have inferior judgment?

it was an archaic world..



Why does the apostle Paul claim women have inferior judgment?

THE ONLY THING HE WAS EVER RIGHT ABOUT

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